Top 5 INSANE Stalker Horror Movies

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this is Brian’s judgment on whether a movie is a stalker film or not. One, we’ve already talked about. No fucking masks. No masks. Okay. Two can’t be random. Okay. When I mean random, I mean, like, you know, Annie Wilkes decides I’m going to randomly find a person and stalk them. So there. Has to be some connection to him. Some way. Three. Obsession. There has to be an obsession there Welcome to the cinema psycho show the madhouse for film freaks and film fans of all types. I’m your host, Brian Coddington. Your fellow co-host. And filmmaker John Woo’s craft. I always feel like somebody’s watching me. Sorry I couldn’t. I thought you were going to do private. Us a bunch of me. Clap, clap. Yes. Well, And this episode’s great. Great to be back. We’re recording this from. The eerie horror fest at an eerie, Pennsylvania, the Warner Theater. And, This episode, we are going to be diving into some. I don’t know, some people might find. This episode to be kind of triggering just because of the subject matter. Enough. Yeah. Fair enough. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. We are going to be talking about stalker movies. I thought about that just now. This like, yeah, there’s a lot of art blending in with reality with this particular subject matter that people might be like, yeah, no, I don’t want that. Well, we kind of hit on like all the abstract ones, like haunted houses, dolls, you know, it’s like, yeah, we’re getting a little a little close to to reality here. Yeah, yeah. What makes these films actually quite scary. Is, is how we as people can relate way more to like, the sort of real monsters, right? Yeah. But yeah, just to kind of, you know, before we eventually get to our, top five or in my case, top six. I got the top three. I got top three. Of our favorite. Let’s go over kind of the history of these guys. And really, you know, there were some in the early days, but If you go back to 1960, we really have two films that came out the same year. It’s funny when that happens. Yeah, set the bar. It’s like films and that’s Psycho and Peeping Tom. You consider psycho a stalker film? It’s a it’s on the. It’s on the list. It’s on. Is it on, like, the listicles? But, you know, it’s the 1960s. Like, this is where we kind of stop, you know, having ancient castles and faraway lands and, you know, long ago. And now we’re kind of hitting, hitting home, like, people don’t realize the controversy. That’s like. Yeah. You know, oh, you know, this is a real person in a real town. Yeah. A woman like this isn’t, you know, monsters is. There’s no wolf man here. So that kind of brought forth, you know, a new a new outlook on things. And, don’t sleep on peeping Tom. I know a lot of people don’t look at it because it’s, you know, not America. But I was going to say, I’ve never seen peeping Tom. I gotta check it out. Yeah. And then there’s the original Cape Fear in 62. Oh, such a good film. Yeah. Kind of sort of set the bar. And you have, you know, Klute. Which one? Jane Fonda and Oscar, duel, which I know is made for TV movie. I’m starting to get like. That’s okay. I mean, I think made for. TV movies are valid. Yeah, they’re. Still. Because they’re still movies, right? I mean. Don’t don’t tell the director of that movie that. He doesn’t even count that as his first film. Really. Played on TV. Oh, for fuck’s sake. Jesus Christ. Oh, well, tough shit. In this one. And then we had just a year that it kind of set the bar for, the stalker comes to play Misty morning. Oh, okay. Cable guy, fans out there, that because everybody say, oh, cable guy was kind of, the male version of play Misty for me. There’s a point where they’re watching TV in that movie and play Misty for TV. So I, I’ve never seen play Misty for me. And he’s waiting for you to start. It’s kind of, What’s the movie with Michael Douglas? It’s, the game. Look at my Mr., Fatal Attraction. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Tragic. And then, you know, you have Black Christmas and Halloween, which kind of are more like. You know, I don’t know if I, I don’t know if they they can be I don’t, I don’t know, I, I. Don’t view Halloween or honestly really any, any sort of, of movie that has a masked, you know, monster as a stalker movie. I think it’s because like, the minute that the, the, the person puts on a mask or whatever, they’re, they’re dehumanized. And I think the allure of the stalker movie, to me at least, what, what always seems to like bring me to them is that they’re people, right? They’re just broken people, okay? They don’t have to wear a fucking mask. They’re just people themselves who, for whatever means they have, they’re broken their psyche. They’ve broken their moral code, they’re broken all of those scruples. And for whatever reason, they’ve latched on to someone else to fulfill whatever that need is. And and I just, you know, Michael Myers, I don’t put him in the same realm, you know, and yeah, you could say like, well. Brian, you know, sometimes when they take the mask off, they’re that. Broken process, like, yeah, I get that. But they had to, like, adopt this other persona that’s larger than life. You know, and they’ve transcended being human at that point. You know, they become just a normal monster. That’s that’s more than fair. Kind of jumping ahead. Sorry. But that kind of covers when a stranger calls from the front. We should also consider Prowler, to be more of a slasher lover. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I don’t know, I just any anyone that, like, was marketed as a slasher and lacks that human like side to it. I totally don’t I don’t consider them a quote unquote stalker first movie, you know. One of one of my all time favorites, the king of comedy. Oh, yeah, that’s a good one. That’s a good one. You know what the thing, too, is like. Like a good stalker movie has a healthy dose of obsession in there. Like an unhealthy dose of obsession. Like they have to have that. And like. Halloween. And these other ones really don’t have. That obsession, more or less. They’re just. They’re just. Killers, you know? Yeah. And I do think it’s interesting there’s two kinds of my opinion that when they’re successful, it’s the one where the person doesn’t realize they’re a stalker. Yeah. Where they absolutely realize. Exactly. I the king of comedy. Like, I don’t think DeNiro realizes just what a pain in the ass. No, no, he he doesn’t. And I mean, of course, De Niro is a he’s got kind of a twofer because in the 90s he did the fan. Yeah. Which is, again, very unhealthy obsession. I know you’ll get I know you’ll get there. I know you evil people will get there. And then this one’s kind of an interesting. Yeah. It’s not. It’s not a human being. But Terminator, the people. You know. Yeah. You’re you’re you’re right. I again, I don’t he’s a monster. Yeah. Like he’s and I, he has no free will. He’s programed. You know, and at the same time, you can make the argument, the psychologist. Can come in and say, well, like, isn’t a stalker programed by their life experiences? Whoa, whoa. Like, are their their actions and how they react to stimuli programed by trauma and things that happen in their lives? Like, I guess you could make that argument. Mr.. Psychiatrist. Yeah. Doctor. Doctor. Psychologist. Well, here’s one that I think anybody, you know, in the 80s that we have Fatal Attraction. Oh, so fucking good. That’s so that’s so good. And you know what I love about Fatal Attraction? So usually it. And I’m like, you see this a lot in the 90s, but the stalker always is a male stalking a female. Quite, you know, quite often that is it. And and in Fatal Attraction you have a, a very successful woman who’s successful in her work life, in her career. Right. And she latches on to Michael Douglas in an unhealthy way. And she is the, the stalker. She is the pursuer. He must have. Been. He. I mean, this is 1980s Michael Douglas. I mean, I mean, come on. For all of our audio listeners, you’re going to miss out here. I don’t know what. You gotta describe what you’re doing. This is your Uncle John talking. Don’t stick your dick in the face. No matter how hot, no matter what the situation, you don’t. Know. This has been my ten. Minutes that talk. But but I just I know that that that is what’s refreshing about Fatal Attraction to me is just that it’s a it’s, a woman who is who is in that position when traditionally stalker films have always made, you know, the, the woman in these dynamics very weak when when you know, Alex is not that at all. And then we have a remake here, so we’re coming full circle. Okay, here’s the thing. I’m going to ask you this. Go. Do you do you like the remake of Cape Fear better than the original? I do, but I don’t think it’s a better film. I love the remake. Yeah. I mean, and Dunham around. Robert Mitchum is great in the original, but, like, there’s something about De Niro. There’s something about Scorsese. You do that one, right? Yeah. Yeah, I, I love the the actual composition of that film, you know, 1 to 1 from a cinematography standpoint, but also just from, you know, a storytelling step where I love that one better. I may have my history wrong on this one, but I believe Spielberg was originally signed up to direct. Expert says he was going to direct, and they kind of I think they called each other up. It was, I don’t think this is right. They both got the wrong goddamn movie. Yeah. He’s like, I, I don’t think, I don’t think I should do, hook man. Like, oh. I don’t think I should. Do Cape Fear. Yes. They made the right choice. In the 90s were just like, I don’t know if it’s because. You fucking love 90s. Or what it was, but, like, he had other things to worry about them, like war, and. Then they’re still all that shit they’re. Gonna like, you know? Yeah. 92. Yeah. Single white. Female. So good. The hand of. So good. Guys all in the same year. The crush. Oh, my God. The fucking crush, man. I yeah. You know. Right. Would you consider screening, us too, because they, they know. No. No, I, I mean, I know I, I. I draw the line at you’re wearing a mask. But 96 was, that was a year of. It’s like, if you, if you include scream got an eye for an eye scream fear cable guy in the fam all of the same year. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I think it was a thing where it’s like, you know, the, the 80s, you had a lot of slashers, you know, scream obviously revive the slasher. But I really think like the whole idea of the monster being your next door neighbor or the monster being that bad date, or the monster being someone. Who you. Inadvertently wronged. Yeah, you know that you inadvertently like. You didn’t do anything. You did the right. Thing, but your action inadvertently hurt someone else’s life, and then it’s becomes a matter of what if that person was unhealthy in their head? So I think that like making the, the, the, the terror like, you know, homegrown and based down the street from you was a big trend in the 90s. As we enter the early 2000, as I call this, the Robinsons of like, yeah, I might be the genie, Mrs. Doubtfire, but I can be creepy as fuck, too. One hour photo. Okay, one hour photo. I, I believe this. I think it might be Robin Williams best role. It’s got to be in the category big. And here’s the reason why. Okay, I’m gonna tell you the reason why. Robin Williams was a brilliant comedian. Brilliant. Okay. He brought heart to just about every role. But you want to know whether or not, a performer can really, really cut loose and really show their strength is you put them in something they’re unfamiliar with and like that film as well as insomnia, which I roughly came in around the same time. Okay. So like those are so against type for Robin Williams. Okay. You’re like oh yeah Peter Pan from hook. Yeah. We’re going to make him. You know, a creepy guy who’s obsessed with the family because he has no family. And then you find out the dark things that happened to him of what brought that obsession. And it’s like, it’s truly chilling. Like the first time I saw it, I was like, this is a chilling portrayal, and I can’t imagine any other person doing it other than Robin Williams. And I think because we all know him as like the genie from Aladdin. Like seen him like that is kind of, shell shocking. But all comedy has an underlying darkness, you know? So I think that bringing Timmy into that role. Yeah. And if you go. What? What is that movie? I don’t blame you as one fan. Swim fan. Yeah. Forgettable, forgettable trailer that you might have seen during one other film that you were seeing. Yes, because that’s the only reason I know. So I’m a fan. I’m like, oh yeah, that trailer I saw that one time. Like, yeah, I mean, I don’t I don’t blame her for wanting the banger in the pool, but but again, you. This has been a message from your Uncle John. No country for old men. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I guess, I guess, yeah. But, like, he’s not really is. Is he stalking them? It’s been a while, so I’ve seen the film. Hired. So. Okay, so he’s an assassin? Yeah. Okay. I don’t count that. That the. I don’t count that. We’ll get to, like, doesn’t count or not. Okay. The strangers and it follows. Do consider those the strangers. They’re all wearing fucking masks in that one, right? Yeah. No, that don’t count. That doesn’t count. What about it? No, no. It’s supernatural, and I just, I don’t know, I just believe. That a stalker film has to be based in reality. And you know what the thing, too, is like when it’s. Based in reality, you yourself are thinking of of of your own interactions with people. And it’s always clicking back to like, could this person be my stalker? Like, that’s the thing. And I think you, when you don’t. Have that, when it’s hidden behind either, like, you know, supernatural means or it’s hidden behind a mask, it just dehumanizes that thing. And I think there needs to be that, that sort of human connection where it’s like your interactions with people, you know, you don’t know what the hell that person’s gone through. You don’t know if they’re broken or not, or if they are quick to obsession, and if your interaction with them can cause that. I think that that’s the key to a good stalker film. And now one of the greatest films ever made, Boy Next Door. But Jennifer Lopez. I never saw that one. That’s the one I never saw. It’s always been one that I’m just like. That’s the one where J.Lo sleeps with the boy next door, right? It’s like, oh, okay. Yeah. And it’s. Like. And so it’s like a lifetime, a hallmark, not like hallmark, but like a lifetime movie where the budget, the movie. Just kind of sci fi here. Like, he’s a high school student who’s been held back twice. So he’s an adult. Why not just make her a college professor? Because that makes it less creepy. It makes it less. Yes, it makes it less. Less creep. Yes, yes. And then also one of the greatest films of all time, the fanatic, which Oh my god. Oh my God, the fucking fanatic. I don’t think we ever like did. We give that one a full review. No. I think we touched on it. We talked about it. But man moose. In. Moose is in the house. You ever listen to some of that biscuit? He was like. Yes Fred, we know. Wink, wink. We’re looking at you at the camera. You’re trying to hide it with no. It’s like. No, no, no, no. You good. Listen to that biscuit. No, no one said that by the way. Meanwhile like it’s 12. Yeah. It’s like yeah. Yeah I like live favorites. Yeah. It’s it’s like they’re the most awesome band ever, right? Did I say that right, Fred. Shark walking. The camera. Invisible man. It’s got elements. I don’t know the minute you did give me Superman. And that’s supernatural science fiction. But I mean, definitely, I think the the fact that it’s a former. Like, that’s that’s that’s. Her like, ex. Right? Yeah. And and he just happens to be a crazy scientist who invents invisible man suit, you know, checks out. Yeah. Of course. But, I mean, like, I think, like, the core of that one definitely is, is is, a stalker film, but it does have that added thing of, of the whole, you know, supernatural element or science fiction element with the Invisible Man suit. So, yeah, I’ll give it it. I’ll give it. And then, borderline, which was came out this year. It had Jack Nicholson’s son in it. Oh, okay. Yeah. I haven’t seen that one. Oh, okay. I gotta check that one out. You know, a premise we’ve seen a bunch of. Yeah. You know, it’s like these movies stand the test of time, and it’s. Yeah, you can say, okay, well, this is why these movies are coming out at certain times, but also some of them just came out because this is just something we all. Yeah, at least to history. It’s just, you know, how many times years I mean oh my God. You know. Yeah. It’s very, very, very much true. But yeah, they’re, they’re ones I want to know if you think that they. Sure. Okay. These are ones that Brian either gives the yay or nay to and. Yeah, we’ve we’ve already done a lot of the ones with like the slasher movies where wearing. But yeah, they don’t count. What about okay this one could be kind of strong. 1 to 9. Living dead that, you know, because the zombie, they’re dead in the dead. They’re dead. They’re all fucked up. They’re all messed. Up. All right, we just got Halloween with all these slasher movies. Slumber Party Massacre. Oh, man, I haven’t seen Slumber Party Massacre in a long time. What what’s what’s who’s who’s stalking that one? I mean, it’s a bunch of, like, babysitters involved, you know, people, women having a get together. Yeah, but it’s another slasher. Yeah. Then now. This one was on every list that I came on. Yeah, I don’t agree with that. Misery. Misery? Yeah. No, I think that’s a stalker one. Here. Here’s my brother. Like he crashed, like, next to her house she didn’t see. Correct. But here’s where I would go back to it for if. And this is this is Brian’s judgment on whether or not a movie is a stalker film or not. Okay, so there’s a couple criteria. One, we’ve already talked about. No fucking masks. No masks. Okay. Two can’t be random. Okay. When I mean random, I mean, like, you know, Annie Wilkes decides I’m going to randomly find a person and stalk them. No, no, no, there has to be some that have some, some connection. So there. Has to be some connection to him. Some way. Three. Obsession. There has to be an obsession there now. Nowhere in there is geographical direction. So what I mean by that is like, you know, yes, she was clearly obsessed with Paul Sheldon before hand. But you’re going to tell me that Annie Wilkes didn’t know that Paul Sheldon vacations up in the cabin. She does, which she does. So, like by that logic, who’s to say that. Annie Wilkes doesn’t move to that area because her hero, Paul Sheldon, happens to go there? Who’s to say that? We don’t know? The movie doesn’t tell us that. But, I mean, think of it this way. Like, you know, who’s your absolute idol, John? What? What’s Georgetown? Okay, so. So let’s pretend that George Carlin is alive, okay? And I’m not going to call you a stalker, but let’s just say, you know, George Carlin’s alive, and, you know, his car breaks down in front of your house, and he comes out asking for help. Isn’t your mind going to race? Oh, my God, that’s George fucking Carlin. Yeah, but to George Carlin, you might be like, this guy is obsessed with me. Okay, so I look at it from the standpoint of like, Annie Wilkes is is clearly in a stalker type relationship with Paul Sheldon because of happenstance. Yeah. Because she very easily could have been like, I’m going to get help for, you know, someone that I’m a fan of because I care. But she lacks that ability because it’s obsession that is driving everything. George Carlin comes to your house. You’re not going to, you know, lock him in your house and be like, please, just go through. Oh, please just go through. All of you can just can just replay, you know, all of your comedy specials for me, like starting back from like the 50s, all the way till till now. You’re not going to do that because you’re not a stalker. You’re someone who’s going to be like, yes, I’m a fan of this person, but my obsession with them is not going to drive it, because once you clear the armed sets with George Carlin. Right? But you’re going to help them because you’re a human being. Annie Wilkes doesn’t have that. Yeah. So I argue it as a stalker movie. Why? Why? I’m curious. Why do you not think it is a big. Because again, it’s it’s. And you kind of convince him that it’s happenstance and he crashes at her place because she didn’t seek him out. And he technically, at first needs her. Yeah. I mean, what’s the roads clear. She could have. She could have absolutely. Like, because she didn’t stalk him. He’s like, it’s kind of like, And Robin Hood meditates when the, sheriff crashes. Yeah. Thanks, Ruth. Yes? I see you’ve been stalking me for after the roof. Well, she was praying. Yeah. Thank you, thank you. But, you know, and again, these are just Brian and John’s opinions. And the reason I mentioned that is this is actually a call to action. If you don’t agree with us, hit us up in the comments. Yeah. Up on social media, discord discord. And you know and don’t sleep on it. Come on, come on. Do it right now. Do it. Do it. Come on. All right. Well, she got next. I know, I know what you’re going to say. I know what you did. No. You’re right. Nope. Nope, nope. Although, Valentine Valentine’s. A weird one. It’s a weird one because clearly there is an obsession there, starting from from high school. But, yeah, I’d. Say that’s more revenge. And that and, you know, the fact he wears a fucking mask already makes it like, no, it’s not going to work. And he knows. He has nosebleeds. I don’t know why. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. What about phone booth with Colin Farrell? He’s in that situation. Yeah, but. We never really know what what Kiefer Sutherland is like. Obsession. Like where that obsession is rooted from. Like, it’s kind of random, right? Like, like, clearly this man has his is issues. He’s targeted. You know, Colin Farrell. And he, he absolutely like, knows everything about him. But you also get the vibe that Kiefer Sutherland does this to more than one person. Yeah. Because I think in that film, if I remember correctly, it is mentioned that like, this happened to another person. So that leads me to thinking that it’s somewhat random rather than having a personal connection with the stalky. Well, on that note then, on the same kind of context, what about ready? I’m ready. Yeah, yeah, I haven’t seen Red eye in a long time. Now remind me, is is, Cillian Murphy is is, is he personally tied? So he is. I think it falls on his name. No country for old men. Like, he’s kind of like. Yeah. So now no, no, no, if you’re if someone is paying you to stalk a person, you’re not actually a stalker. Okay. Yeah. So those are the ones that are kind of the outliers there I think. I think we have like one. Yes. And the rest of the notes. Yeah. Sorry. But the type of stock of films we have is typically male. Yes. Yeah. I wonder why. Smash that patriarchy. I also have good friends here. Hetero. Because. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. And occasionally that’s the flip of that. A female, but they don’t get here. This guy on guy, again hetero. Thankfully. Because that was homophobic. Yeah. I like the fan. Yeah. The fan cable guy. Oh. Guy on guy. Huge fans. That’s thing too. It’s like, you know, I’m your biggest fan fall girl and guy two I guess. Three. Hired gun on a mission, as Brian said, doesn’t count. Do you think it counts? Yeah, but when they are stalking, I do. I see what you’re saying like it is. It is better, in my opinion. Not. It does not require. But it’s better if it’s coming from some level of psychological like misfire. I think if you’re going down the, the, the stalking route, there’s more than just a misfire. It’s blown gasket. Okay. Plain revenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then supernatural. You think supernatural is a good one? Like it falls in Terminator stuff? Again, there’s not, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t. I don’t, well, what about if it’s like, if it’s from the quote unquote good guys, like, would you consider The Fugitive to be a stalker movie if the police are hunting? No. Harrison Ford. No, I, I, I don’t I think. For me, I have a very narrow spectrum of what I consider a stalker movie is that it has to it has to have some level of psychological break in the person who is stalking for it to be relatable to the, you know, as the audience member watching it, to have that emotional response to it. I think it has to have that that core element, you know, the person stalking has to be psychologically broken in some way and find that that void that is left in their psyche is filled by the person they’re stalking, you know? All right. Well, that kind of like break down a little bit of history and the rules that we’re setting here. Brian, shall we do our best? Yeah, I mean, I, I got three. I got three, you have six. Of course, John has to always outdo me on these things. You know, he’s just like, Yeah, I brought I brought. Five or vine. I brought six or I brought ten. Fine, I brought 11. Not to outdo you. I just don’t have any. I know, I know, it’s okay. It’s okay. Well, yeah. Like, let’s go ahead. You start with, with your your six. So I guess six would be kind of maybe we’ll call it my honorary. Your honorary. Picks included, cable. Guy Gable Gould. Just. And I don’t know if it’s because I grew up obsessed with Jim Carrey that I hold this movie so close to my heart. But for those who know our archive, it was our first. Really that. Awful? Yes. No, it’s not. It’s not. It’s brilliant. I’m sorry. Jim Carrey was dark and you didn’t talk out of his. But forget, but yeah. No, it’s it’s really is the, play Misty for me, but, Yeah. No, it’s such a. Good movie, too. Like it. It’s it’s, it’s it does this thing where it makes the stalking funny. Yeah. You know, and that’s the thing that’s different than any other stalker movie is that, you know, you’re not supposed to really find any of this stuff funny. I mean, geez, we’re on the ride up here. We were. We were quoting the the porno password scene. Yeah. You know, and it’s. Like, yes. Taking it out of context. Yes. It’s funny. Then you have to realize, like. This guy. Is injecting himself into, Matthew Broderick s life. And is a master. And is manipulating every person around him. And and that scene to me, like, what’s terrifying about it, if you really think it is, is. Yes, that everyone. Thinks that that Stephen is overreacting, that that Stephen is like, yeah, he’s an asshole. He’s always been an asshole. This way. He’s overreacting. To to Chip, who’s going in and basically like co-opting his parents and co-opting his is siblings and all this stuff and basically being the the quintessential best son that isn’t part of this family, but he’s like, better than them, and he’s doing it in a way that no one else sees it other than Stephen. Stephen kind of. It’s like, you know, he’s being gaslit the whole fucking time. So that’s terrifying. But it’s a fucking hilarious scene. Yeah. And I think really where we get the big twist in when we see the spider girl. Oh my God. We’ve got really creepy. Yeah. He’s like, I’m so tired, so very tired. That’s out of bed. Do you hear those? Well, first time I saw that, I thought there was a spider on the TV like I saw. I didn’t see it in theaters. I saw it on TV. So, like, my first time I saw, I’m like, this is a fucking, you know, daddy, long leg on the TV is like, no, no, no, that’s the movie. I’m like, so it was on its face floors. Yeah, yeah. When you say Chip like a stunt, you mean Larry Page. Ricky Ricardo. All right, so number five, you disqualified. Okay, but I think it’s the, one of the penultimate talking of it. Yeah. No, I don’t think. I don’t think it’s fucking robot, man. It’s a fucking robot. I don’t know, it’s not a. No, it’s not a cyborg. I’m sorry. It is not a cyborg. It is a fucking robot covered in skin. Cybernetic organism seven over seven Eric Omega organism. Madhubala one. But, number four, I do it. I’ve never seen duel. So. Yeah, it it’s such a simple premise. He’s the guy who our hero like, cuts off like an 18 Wheeler. Kind of like, you know, incidentally, like, not like, in a dangerous way. And, you know, the 18 Wheeler haunts him. He’s like, yeah, whatever, buddy. And he drives on and realizes that that 18 is following him and following. Oh, shit. Trying to make him crash. And you know, there is there’s one scene in the movie that I hate because it and I know you got to stop at the driving seat for a minute as he goes into, in the mind you, I mean, yeah. Is he stops at a diner. To get off the road and maybe helps if you get a phone call the police and you see him look down because the 18 Wheeler stops there too. And you see, two feet get out of the 18 Wheeler. And I’m like, yeah, obviously I know it’s being driven by somebody, but I want to see the stalker as just right. I don’t want, you know, to know that somebody, because the whole next scene is him in the diner trying to figure out which person in here is the guy who’s doing this to me. But yeah, it’s. You can tell that Spielberg kid was going places. I can see where that one can. You can definitely be, a stalker movie, you know? I mean, you could make the argument like. Oh, well, the the 18 Wheeler is the is the mask more or less like, right. Because it’s in that guy, as you say, like the minute he steps out, it’s like, well, well, now we’ve humanized him. Now we know he’s not just a monster, you know? And so I, I can see that. But I think the fact that he does get out of the 18 Wheeler, it does humanize the man, does make it more of a stalker film than it does, say, a slasher or anything like that. That’s right. Yeah. Because like at that point, the $18 a monster. Yeah. It’s not like, yeah, yeah. Number three here, I kind of alluded this earlier when I said my presenting a comedy. Yeah. Just great, great stuff. I remember my dad told me it was like Jerry Lewis as the straight man and junior was the comic girl relief. And I’m like, wait, that’s a. That sounds backwards. Right? But it’s like. Yeah, no, no, you’re right. I, I agree that that one, that one especially is really, really solid. And number two, you ask me, which one is better, which one do you prefer more? I have Cape Fear, but I have the DeNiro one because. Oh, yeah. No, I like the DeNiro one too. I prefer it again. I don’t think it’s better than the original, but I prefer it. Yeah. No, I, I absolutely is. He goes. Oh yeah. Well, I mean it’s also a thing like I mean again, I have not seen the original Cape Fear in a, in a bit, but like in the night, I think that one came out. What, 90, 91, 91. Yeah. So like in that one you could get a bit more graphic. Yeah. Than you would have done in the 60s. Like you don’t. Brian. Yeah. Well fine. Fuck that I don’t care. I mean like his the, you know Max, Katie’s whole seduction of, Juliette Lewis is, is kind of kind of kind of disturbing. Yeah. Like really scary. And I don’t think you could do that in the 60s. Oh, God. No. And here’s a fun fact for your audience. DeNiro improv. Putting his dirty fingers in her mouth. And Juliette Lewis, to her credit, just went with it, I see, partner. Gross. I mean, I’m not take DeNiro as a dirty guy, but, I mean, I probably had wash his hands was a couple hours, so. Nick. Gross. Oh, it tastes like dirt and. Dirt and bandits. And, number one, call me basic bitch. Audience. If you want that fatal attraction. I mean, it’s a I wouldn’t. Call you a basic bitch. I would, I would say that that is pretty much the the the if I just say, okay, what do you envision is a stalker film that’s modern? I would pick that one, you know, like, obviously there are other ones that have come out, since then, but that one is just so good in so many levels, like just because of how it starts, like it starts off very, you know, very light in how bad it is. And then it slowly starts to ramp up more and more. And that’s also a good mark of a good stalker film, is that it doesn’t just go from like a zero to an 11. It’s little things start to become worse. Then they start to become worse and worse and worse. And then there’s of course, a moment where you’re like, leave me the fuck alone with all that does is just add more fuel to the fire and then amp it up to an 11. And I think there’s something so beautiful about that. The power dynamics are equal. Yes. In the house, you know, the fanatic all all that, joking aside, is, you know, you have this poor loser who has nothing in his life. Except for horror movies. And, And, you know, basically, without this person who is a huge, big, successful person, like, he has nothing. But these two are like high crests. Yeah. So they’re on equal footing. So I think that adds it. What’s also you got to have great acting. Yeah. Just blows it out. She’s so good in this. Yeah. So good. Well. Hey, Michael. Glad to see you’re good too. But, you know, you’re not playing closer. Yeah. But, yeah, that’s my list. My top five. And I guess we’ll call it cable guy. My honorary six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I do have some, some honorary mentions. I mean, we mentioned one our photo. I think that is absolutely brilliant. Yeah. I was like. Fucking stalking film. Oh, man. If I had a top seven one hour. Now one hour photos. Absolutely brilliant. It’s one that that creeps the fuck out of me. And I think the reason why it keeps the fuck out of me is because, like it, he’s he’s a, a photo guy. And we’ve all had interactions with, you know, you know, people who are working in customer service, people who are working these jobs where it’s like, yes, we constantly interact with them. Maybe you even get to know them well, right? Like, you know, if you go to like, your favorite pizza place, you’re the person people will eventually know your name. So the question when when our. Photo is what happens if that person like becomes obsessed with you? And when I if that person starts to build their entire life around this idyllic idea of who you are and what your life is like, and then when the reality doesn’t match that, what do they do? Yeah. You know, like, it’s such a brilliant film. So it’s it’s in my it’s not in my top three, but it absolutely is my, my honorary mention. You mentioned like when people get to know you at certain business during the pandemic. I would go to the beer. Beer. Yeah. And I started calling me like a movie guy. And I really was like, maybe I’m drinking too much during the pandemic when the beer distributor guys not only know me, but know, like, what I like to do for a living. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, but it was so interesting about that. Sorry. No. Go ahead. No. Your Uncle Jonathan Instagrams at, like. Get is a, like. Not put up photos of themselves sick or fighting. It’s all, like, just their vacation photos. Yes. And even our. Instagram is a lie. I’m not going to lie, I didn’t say that. You know, our Instagram. In the psycho show? It’s it’s it’s a lie. It’s we we do, we do. I’m not going to put up a. Picture of me. Like just waking up in the morning. Know wants to see that. But yeah, you know, Sy only sees what people want him to see. But unfortunately he conflates that with reality that you know and that’s what makes him snap is when he sees this is not the ideal. Yeah. The husband is cheating. Is that. That makes him snap. Which I think is like a really brilliant way of doing that before, you know, Instagram was the thing, you know, the one hour photo was, yeah, 2002 photos. But yeah. So. My actual. Top three. Okay. I’m, I don’t have them in any particular order. But I’m, I’m, I bought them I got to have single white female. Yeah, I mean. Single I so. Stalker. So here’s the thing. Here’s why I love single white female one. You’ve got Jennifer Jason Leigh, who is I think she was coming off of you. She had just done or she was about to do Backdraft. And like in that film, she’s like the sex symbol type woman, right? So like, even though, like she’s great in that film, they don’t really give her much to do because it’s not really a movie about that. Right? It’s it’s it’s Billy Baldwin, his relationship with her along, the whole idea of like, oh yeah, he’s a firefighter and. You’ve got all these other. Things you’ve got like, you know, you know, Robert De Niro was in there and, and, Kurt Russell’s in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it’s like. It’s not about it’s not about her. She’s just kind of a side character. But single white female is not is not, at all what you would think Jennifer Jason Leigh would do. Right. And for me, it shows her range as an actor to go full balls to the wall crazy. And she presents herself, in a way, first as a very warm and just very much. She wants to be. Friends with. Bridget Fonda, She just wants to be roommates. And it’s only in that roommate relation where you start to see, like, no, she’s actually trying to become her and steal her life. And it’s a thing where I think every one of us who’s ever had a roommate, you’ve had that. Like. Not ness of that experience, but you’ve had that that idea pop in your head that like, is this person crazy? You know, like, especially if you don’t like meet the if you don’t know them directly from some other way, like, like you’re not friends with them prior, you just find them on like a, hey, I’m looking for a roommate situation and they answer and ad like, that’s the whole deal, right? Is that you don’t really know who these people are that are living with you. So like I that’s why why I love Alexis like pure early 90s cheese. Yeah. You know. Like the scene where she, like, starts a dire hair and then she kills, like, her boyfriend with, pump and and leaves his body in, bathtub. It’s so fucking good. Early 90s. She’s like, yeah, let’s let’s get a personal pan pizza and go, right. Well, then I, Yeah. And then on top of that, there’s always like a fight between the two at the end. And like that she that, you know, the stalker is always dying. Yeah. No. Got two stalkers. Got to get the coffins. So. Yeah. Single white female. Fucking brilliant. Number two for me is absolutely cable guy. Absolutely. No, absolutely. Cable guy. Oh. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. Cable guy. Cable guy. And it’s just because of how uncertain a film it is. But at its core, it is a stalker film, but it’s wrapped in this very dark comedy. And it, again, kind of goes to a thing of like, you do feel a little bad for Chip Douglas in this. You do like you, you, you get the vibe that like, this man is lonely now, this man doesn’t have any friends. And like, that little bit of kindness, you know, he grabs hold of it and holds on to it for dear fucking life. Yeah, right. We get flashbacks to like he was never given. Yeah. You know, tools. Exactly. And like, he finds comfort in television. He finds comfort in movies. So like, that’s the whole thing with him is that you absolutely. Like, you do feel for him even though he is doing horrible things to this person. Right? So cable guy. That’s my number two. Number one. Okay. For me is the hand that rocks the cradle. And I’m not talking about the remake. I’m talking about the original remakes. Remake. Yeah, I didn’t feel like when we were talking about this that that was going to be. That is my number one stalker film for a couple reasons. Okay? Rebecca De Mornay in that movie is fucking terrifying, okay? Like, like you get her in a movie and she’s supposed to she, you know, she’s always well put together in the in these films prior to this film coming out. Right. Beautiful blond hair, blue eyes. She’s not the type of person you. Would think would be a stalker. Okay? But she is fucking chilling as all hell in this movie. Every action she does towards her ends of ruining this family’s life is fucking terrifying. Okay, like. And then on top of that, like, like the reasoning why she is doing that is, is also really interesting. So, you know, in most stalker films usually it is it’s, it’s because that the protagonist has done some wrong. Yeah. Right. So like Fatal Attraction, you know, he’s he cheated on his wife. He had a one night stand. Right. So like, we already like, this is what you get. So, so, like, there’s always some sort of wrong there, or it’s. Kind of just completely out of the fucking. Blue, right? So, like, with even seeing a white female. Oh, it is Bridget finally just wants a roommate, okay? And just having to find someone who. You know, can fill that role. So just. Happenstance. Or even then, while when. Our photo it is. Oh, yeah. You know, sorry is just. Obsessed with his family because he has no family. Okay. But with single white female went out for the thing with him. But excuse me, like hand rocks the cradle. What’s interesting. About that. Movie is that what leads the stalking is the fact that. Rebecca De Mornay. Is out for revenge, because the lead character in that film was basically felt up by her very famous, wealthy doctor husband. And all that character did was. Report his ass, get him fired, he commits suicide, and Rebecca De Mornay views that family as the the reason for why her life is shit and it’s not her husband, it’s this family. And it’s it’s one of those things where it’s like one small, one small action led to a cascading effect that affected someone. You didn’t even fucking know. And they have an unhealthy obsession with taking you down for doing nothing wrong. And that’s why I love that movie so much, and why I view it as like, that is the best fucking stalker movie because it’s so intricate in the way of trying to illustrate why this person is doing what they’re doing. Right. So yeah, that’s I love, fucking love that movie. So good. Well, I think we stopped. We stalked this to death. We stock them to death. Yeah. So final thoughts, John, on stalker movies. You know, like I, Brian and I have talked and like, we both like the other one, but, you know, Brian’s much more of, like, a supernatural horror guy where I tend to really like for that, I think it’s very, you know, grounded in some level of reality. And most of these movies, with the exception of, like, It Falls to Me or whatever, are grounded in reality. To me. That’s very, very frightening. And I understand, as we talked to the beginning episode that, you know, that could be triggering for people who have gone through this. Yeah. Had to fight the Wolfman. No, or Dracula. But people have dealt with stalkers, you know, to minor to major degrees. And so I know I, I hope you got through it. You’re safe now. But yeah, that’s what makes it so terrifying is that this can happen to anybody at any time. And that that grounded reality of it and I think is what works so well. Yeah. Yeah, definitely subgenre. Awesome. Well, where can they find you at on the internet, John? 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